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"I used to be someone else a long time ago. It doesn’t matter now, I’m not that person anymore. The past is the past, I won’t mourn that which is long gone."

I blame Prime and his judge crown for this. Totally related to this.

thefilmtwit:

Had to share these, I just found them.

1: Kamen Rider Fourze - Kamen Rider Fourze

2: Kamen Rider IXA (white), Dark Kiva (black/red) - Kamen Rider Kiva

3: Kamen Rider Gatack (blue), Kamen Rider Kabuto (red) - Kamen Rider Kabuto

4: Kamen Rider OOOs - Kamen Rider OOO

Artist: Toru Nakayama.

I had forgotten Nakayama drew a lot of fanart for Super Sentai and Kamen Raider.

…Decade, what…Kiva what…how?? I really don’t think you can sit on THAT part of Den-O and not like…fall off.
And this was live. :| *gets tickets for Japan*

…Decade, what…Kiva what…how?? I really don’t think you can sit on THAT part of Den-O and not like…fall off.

And this was live. :| *gets tickets for Japan*

(Source: agoddamn)

biorobo:

plantmandotexeretired:

Rambles behind the cut because that’s how I roll

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evilhasnever:

plantmandotexeretired:

Some quick sketches. I totally wanted to draw Bluestreak on that X2 Yuna pose. And the other is a little older, it’s the sketch of something I’m slooooooowly working on for @shiome 

I have to be in a very particular mood to do Starscream arts that I won’t want to murder with an eraser. :|a

S-S-S-SPARKSMUT *^*

I know what you like ;)

Who’s finally able to play pokemon x? Meeeeeeeee *late to the party*

Some quick sketches. I totally wanted to draw Bluestreak on that X2 Yuna pose. And the other is a little older, it’s the sketch of something I’m slooooooowly working on for @shiome 

I have to be in a very particular mood to do Starscream arts that I won’t want to murder with an eraser. :|a

I have a very hard time hearing this song and not immediately want to draw Bluestreak laying waste to the firing range. :| and I’m just using the not as techno-ish orchestral version. Primus help me when I get the Black Mages’ cd converted to mp3.

Why the DJD are massive hypocrites   

warlordenfilade:

plantmandotexeretired:

decepticonsensual:

plantmandotexeretired:

decepticonsensual:

[previous convo snipped for length]

Butting in just to add something: the DJD didn’t add Fulcrum to the list for his initial ‘failure’ to hold the line.

His punishment for that was to be turned into a K-Class which was actually a death sentence on itself because he was expected to turn into a bomb and die.

His crime was precisely that he didn’t transform. His fear was so strong his mechanism failed, he was designed as a K- Class to transform beyond his own will once the jump was made. He failed to do that and thus that was his crime. He failed to die while taking out some ‘bots.

Also, from what Pharma mentioned, if i recall correctly, the DJD might have attempted to take down the delphi facility. The deal was proposed by Tarn and he had assured Pharma the safety of the facility as long as he was provided t-cogs, placing his addiction above whatever orders themselves or the other ‘cons had regarding the Autobot facility.

I get what you mean, and I agree:  that’s actually what I was getting at when I asked whether they were just following through on a death sentence that had failed to be carried out.  Fulcrum’s being turned into a K-Class was the death sentence for his running away from battle.

What I wasn’t sure of, though, was whether the DJD thought of Fulcrum’s failure to transform as a crime - like, he escaped his death sentence on purpose, and that was an additional crime on top of the one that got him sentenced to death in the first place - or whether they considered it a technical failure, and were just carrying out the death sentence that the technical failure stopped.  I guess a good metaphor might be that if someone escapes from death row, that’s a crime, but if you’ve got someone lined up against a wall to be shot and executed, and your gun jams, that’s not a crime.  It’s not their fault.  However, they still have a death sentence hanging over them, so you still need to find a way to kill them.  I wasn’t sure which one was the way the DJD thought of killing Fulcrum.

Tarn’s words were about him failing to turn into a bomb specifically, so I believe they saw him as having provoked the failure out of fear, aka he was so much of a coward (in their view ) that he failed to die even when facilitated.

Think of it as someone sentenced to the electric chair, and they somehow manage to survive it more or less intact. The djd would execute them for surviving the chair.

The djd weren’t carrying out with his original execution, but saw his failure to be a functional k-class as a worse crime against the cause that needed them to carry out the punishment.

The DJD is so far removed from the reality of anything that wasn’t Megatron’s doctrine (as they understand it) that in their view it was Fulcrum’s fault the mechanism failed. It might have been done to highlight fanatism.

I think you’re on to something here.

The DJD are very much fanatics.  They’ve got their own narrow view to which they subscribe wholeheartedly.  They’re utterly convinced of their own rightness, and can justify anything (like Tarn’s addictions) while cheerfully condemning others for the same or lesser shortcomings.

This makes sense as to why Megatron and Tarn might have a falling out, because Megatron is questioning himself.  He’s burdened and wondering if he’s doing the right thing.  He’s wondering what the right thing even is.  

I don’t think it’s as simple as “is he an Autobot now or is he faking it?” I think he genuinely doesn’t know what he should do, and he’s trying being with the Autobots, but he’s also got a few back doors in case the Autobots let him down (and let’s be honest, they have a record for doing that.)

Tarn, on the other hand, I don’t think he’s questioning anything.  And if Megatron takes back the philosophy he’s given himself to…it’ll be a choice as to whether his loyalty is to Megatron, the person, or to Decepticonism, the movement Megatron created (or rather, the version of Decepticonism to which he has ascribed - because I think Krok is a better example of a Decepticon than Tarn, but that’s another argument).

Fanatism turns around to what you brought up about the DJD being hypocrites, mostly because fanatics will feel they are in a different category altogether than everyone else and do not feel obligated to the same moral or conduct rules as those they punish.

In Tarn’s case, it seems he is enamored of Megatron as a character in a drama, thus he has romanticized his own view of Megatron for what he was supposed to be in his head and not for what he had turned into by that point. The megatron who wrote political and social commentary was not the same Megatron that endorsed a K-Class.

And that’s likely where the big fall might come into being, I imagine Tarn as a child learning Santa isn’t real.The Megatron in his head, the one that is this freedom fighter that somehow allows them to run rampant sanctioning homicide (because by this point the DJD are more on a homicidal run under the delusion of enforcing Decepticon ideology) will turn into Megatron Beiber  in Tarn’s eyes.

Throughout history we’ve seen fanatics that will engage in things that are morally questionable at best, downright horrible at worst, and they justify them as something allowed to them because they are above the rules and moral guidelines needed by the cattle below. More than hypocrites, they are living in their own reality and have the power to use and abuse it as they see fit.

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decepticonsensual:

plantmandotexeretired:

decepticonsensual:

[previous convo snipped for length]

Butting in just to add something: the DJD didn’t add Fulcrum to the list for his initial ‘failure’ to hold the line.

His punishment for that was to be turned into a K-Class which was actually a death sentence on itself because he was expected to turn into a bomb and die.

His crime was precisely that he didn’t transform. His fear was so strong his mechanism failed, he was designed as a K- Class to transform beyond his own will once the jump was made. He failed to do that and thus that was his crime. He failed to die while taking out some ‘bots.

Also, from what Pharma mentioned, if i recall correctly, the DJD might have attempted to take down the delphi facility. The deal was proposed by Tarn and he had assured Pharma the safety of the facility as long as he was provided t-cogs, placing his addiction above whatever orders themselves or the other ‘cons had regarding the Autobot facility.

I get what you mean, and I agree:  that’s actually what I was getting at when I asked whether they were just following through on a death sentence that had failed to be carried out.  Fulcrum’s being turned into a K-Class was the death sentence for his running away from battle.

What I wasn’t sure of, though, was whether the DJD thought of Fulcrum’s failure to transform as a crime - like, he escaped his death sentence on purpose, and that was an additional crime on top of the one that got him sentenced to death in the first place - or whether they considered it a technical failure, and were just carrying out the death sentence that the technical failure stopped.  I guess a good metaphor might be that if someone escapes from death row, that’s a crime, but if you’ve got someone lined up against a wall to be shot and executed, and your gun jams, that’s not a crime.  It’s not their fault.  However, they still have a death sentence hanging over them, so you still need to find a way to kill them.  I wasn’t sure which one was the way the DJD thought of killing Fulcrum.

Tarn’s words were about him failing to turn into a bomb specifically, so I believe they saw him as having provoked the failure out of fear, aka he was so much of a coward (in their view ) that he failed to die even when facilitated.

Think of it as someone sentenced to the electric chair, and they somehow manage to survive it more or less intact. The djd would execute them for surviving the chair.

The djd weren’t carrying out with his original execution, but saw his failure to be a functional k-class as a worse crime against the cause that needed them to carry out the punishment.

The DJD is so far removed from the reality of anything that wasn’t Megatron’s doctrine (as they understand it) that in their view it was Fulcrum’s fault the mechanism failed. It might have been done to highlight fanatism.

(Source: warlordenfilade)

Why the DJD are massive hypocrites   

decepticonsensual:

warlordenfilade:

decepticonsensual:

rothinsel:

warlordenfilade:

I love the DJD, but the more I think about it, the more I realize they are massive hypocrites.

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I partially agree with that, but partially not.

Fulcrum, run away or not, was turned into a K-Class?/bomb – a thing that was already meant…

Yeah, I have to say, I’m with rothinsel on this one.

Is it unjust and cruel that the DJD acts as judge, jury, and executioner, with no appeal possible?  Sure - but that seems to be how the Decepticon faction as a whole operates.  Megatron’s rule is absolute, and below him, the rule of the upper ranks over the lower ranks is absolute.  If you want greater control over your own life, then demonstrate your strength and climb the ranks however you can, but until that point, you don’t get to deviate from your orders.

So Decepticon justice as a whole is pretty capricious, outside the DJD.  (Hell, look at the way Deadlock leaves the ‘Cons.  His commander unilaterally condemns him to death for disobeying an order - even though Deadlock, like Fulcrum, made a militarily sound decision.  Then Megatron unilaterally revokes the death sentence because he finds Deadlock valuable.  There’s no real system of law at work here; commanders have absolute power.)

Now, within that framework, I would actually argue that it’s more important for the DJD to punish someone like Fulcrum than someone like Black Shadow.  Let me lay down this beat and see if you pick it up.

Desertion has been punishable by death in most militaries for most of human history.  Frequently, the only way to get an army to charge into probable death in battle is by threatening them with certain death if they run away (especially conscript armies - which is what both factions basically become when the M.T.O.s start being rolled out).  The issue isn’t whether Fulcrum made a good tactical decision or not; it’s that the tactical decision was not, and could not be, his to make.  The entire structure of the Decepticon army (and the Autobot army, for that matter) rests on commanders being able to order soldiers to their deaths.  Your life as a soldier no longer belongs to you.  Better to lose some soldiers to bad circumstances or bad decisions than to set the precedent that soldiers can choose to flee a battle without orders, because other Decepticons would notice, and then where would it stop?  Oh, you pardoned him for running away because the battle was hopeless?  Well, this one looks pretty hopeless, too!  He’s a technician?  I’m a weapons specialist - or I’m a pilot - or whatever.  There would be a significant number of Decepticons who would cut and run in battle if there was even a glimmer of hope that they might survive that way.

Ultimately, how many Decepticons are ever going to be in the position to blow up a fleet of war worlds?  Not many - and most of those with both the strength and the security access are going to be the most fanatically loyal (Phase Sixers, weirdly, excepted :)).  How many Decepticons are going to be tempted, at one point or another, to throw their weapons down and run for their lives?  Pretty much all of them.  You want to show the troops the dangers of ending up like Black Shadow, sure - but it’s more important to show them the dangers of ending up like Fulcrum.

And part of punishing deserters and traitors has to be isolating them from all possible support, so, yeah, any Decepticon who tries to get between the DJD and one of its targets also needs to be made an example of.

As for the deal with Pharma, I think rothinsel’s got it right.  Taking out the Delphi facility wasn’t something the DJD was ever ordered to do, nor was it really in their remit (they deal with internal security).  And the deal really didn’t benefit Pharma, especially in the long run.  In fact, you could argue that by allowing the medical facility to exist (but ensuring that a significant number of its patients died there), the DJD enabled the Autobots to keep throwing more and more troops into working and guarding the nearby mine, where they kept getting attacked and injured/killed, and actually did more damage that way than if they’d just wiped out Delphi and pushed the Autobots to direct their forces more productively.  At the very least, it’s radically different from destroying a chunk of your own forces in exchange for money.

tl;dr - The DJD aren’t good people, but I don’t think they’re hypocrites.

Wow, this is a great discussion.  Here’s what I’ve got to say back:

Absolutely you and Rothinsel are right on the money when you say that it’s not the decision of a single solder whether or not he’s going to stay and fight.  If it gets around the ranks that that sort of behaviour is okay, the Decepticon army will descend into chaos and run the first time the Autobots have a tactical advantage.

I’m going to have to go a bit into hypotheticals here, and I’m seeing the things we don’t know for certain.

I was fascinated by the scene where Megatron and Prime put themselves into control spheres so they could monitor the actions of every soldier in every battle.  Fascinating.  Command-and-control…and getting commander’s orders down to individual soldiers through the fog of war is a huge issue for any military force. There comes a point where the leader can’t be everywhere, and has to trust his subordinates to make decisions in his absence.  Many books have been written about the respective merits of tight control vs loose control of one’s forces - unity of mission vs adaptability.

So, if Fulcrum was ordered to hold the line unto death and he didn’t, yes, that’s a legitimate military crime.  

It’s my presumption, though, that since Fulcrum admits to being “project manager”, that he had a position of some authority.  And, if he didn’t have contact with a higher officer, he’d have to make an executive decision.  He chose retreat, which was a sound and logical option given his capabilities.  Whether he did so knowing damn well it was a war crime, or whether he’d thought he was doing the right thing for the cause, we don’t know.

I don’t think he can be faulted for not transforming on Clemency, because the K-class were supposed to transform automatically. That he didn’t was a matter of mechanical failure moreso than an act of defiance, and beyond his control.

However, if he was ordered to hold the line as project manager and didn’t, then yes, he deserves the DJD’s attention.

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Now, to Tarn.  This might be my own personal view in that I’ve got an issue with Tarn making deals with the Autobots to his own personal benefit (as opposed to that of the Cause).  I question the fitness of an addict to hold command, given that he’s going to make decisions that benefit his addiction first and (potentially) the Cause second.

You are right in that the DJD has likely not received a direct order from Megatron to wipe out Delphi, so Tarn isn’t defying Megatron’s orders.

He is, however, making a very questionable decision in letting the mine keep producing nucleon in exchange for his own personal crack.

There are a lot of factors we don’t know, like how many other sources of nucleon there are, how much of the Autobots’ fighting capacity is directly related to nucleon, whether more Decepticon lives would be saved by wiping out the mine vs. how many mechanisms get killed by Pharma under the current scheme, etc.  So it’s possible that Delphi’s benefit to the Autobots is negligible and Tarn’s choosing to use his down time to mess with Pharma and stock up on T-cogs.  But it’s also possible for previously good officers to make a series of increasingly poor decisions when personal issues and addictions come into play.

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Thanks for your comments!  I’m looking forward to seeing more of the DJD…. 

This is a really enjoyable discussion!  And you make a lot of good points.

I think we essentially agree on Fulcrum.  To go into the options you mentioned a little further (basically just teasing out the implications of what you said):

  • It’s possible that he disobeyed an order to hold the line, and, as you say, that = legitimate military crime.
  • It’s possible that he wasn’t given an order and, as project manager, made a tactical decision to retreat, which was something that was officially at his discretion to decide.  In that case, yeah, his punishment is capricious and unfair.
  • Muddy middle ground:  it’s possible that he was never given the explicit order to stay put during that battle, but it was just considered part of his duties to take part in defending the facility if the situation ever arose.  From what I remember of Fulcrum’s story (which may be off), it sounds like the techies were basically left to fend for themselves against overwhelming odds.  In that situation, I could easily see Fulcrum thinking the lack of orders to either stay or go gave him some leeway, and I’m not sure how to judge that decision.

I also agree that he shouldn’t be faulted for what happened on Clemency.  I’m not totally sure, though, whether the DJD actually did blame him - whether they considered his failure to explode on schedule to be an additional “crime”, or just a delay in a death sentence that still had to be carried out (a little more directly this time).

With Tarn… yeah, I can see what you mean.  I think it was the initial comparison that “he’s not that different from Black Shadow” that prompted my knee-jerk, “But but but!”  But you’re right - while it’s difficult to say for certain whether Tarn’s deal with Pharma was good or bad for the ‘Cons, it’s fair to say that as long as Tarn is making decisions based on getting his next fix, he’s not commanding well or putting his faction first.

Either way, yes, hoping for more DJD soon!

Butting in just to add something: the DJD didn’t add Fulcrum to the list for his initial ‘failure’ to hold the line.

His punishment for that was to be turned into a K-Class which was actually a death sentence on itself because he was expected to turn into a bomb and die.

His crime was precisely that he didn’t transform. His fear was so strong his mechanism failed, he was designed as a K- Class to transform beyond his own will once the jump was made. He failed to do that and thus that was his crime. He failed to die while taking out some ‘bots.

Also, from what Pharma mentioned, if i recall correctly, the DJD might have attempted to take down the delphi facility. The deal was proposed by Tarn and he had assured Pharma the safety of the facility as long as he was provided t-cogs, placing his addiction above whatever orders themselves or the other ‘cons had regarding the Autobot facility.

I wanted to be Soundwave for halloween and learn the sasswave dance, but now i am really getting the itch to dress as Kiva because freedom of movement and the most important thing: red and black outfit. (And bats. Cannot forget bats).

I have a mighty need for the talking kivat plushie. TuT

orevet:

gentlemanbones:

jawnsolo:

baturday:

Baby bat gets the hiccups

i giggled like a schoolgirl

"I hope the ASPCA isn’t watching."

"I really did not mean to do that."

Baby baaats.

(via lizardtakesflight)